Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:37 pm
hey Sparhawk lets just have 4 roe. that should do it.
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KidVicious wrote:Those of you that believe all aspect IR is taking the 'dogfight' out of the engagement
KidVicious wrote: are probably the same ones that go 'suicide' in ROE3 when you're down to AIM-9Ms .
Deadmeat wrote:
I'm one of them...
but not one of them . That's a big 'probably' right there.
What difference does it make whether 9P's are outdated? They still provide a good dogfight. 9Ms would be easier (I said easier, not easy) to get a kill with, and therefore less fun.
I like the clean pass too, but I suppose it wouldn't bother me too much if it were scrapped (unless people start shooting guns or AIM9s head on, that would suck. And I guess it would happen - maybe not 9Ps, but guns and 9Ms.)
centermass wrote:
I'm also for having ROE 3 be AMRAAMs only. 3 ROE's for 3 distinct weapons.
KidVicious wrote:Most loads today commonly include at least one all aspect IR missile. Unfortunately you have to get 2 at a time in the DF module.
Nap wrote:KidVicious wrote:Most loads today commonly include at least one all aspect IR missile. Unfortunately you have to get 2 at a time in the DF module.
A TE could be used instead of the DF module. This could feed into CM's other idea about including take-off, scramble, and landing as part of the engagement.
Nap
KidVicious wrote:Several of us are advocates of stepping up to what is currently trained in modern day airforces.
KidVicious wrote:Also, as stated, this eliminates possible disputes from the WEZ rule with 9ps.
KidVicious wrote:If you think it's easier to win an engagement with all aspect IRs I'd recommend going up vs opponents that know how to use and defend against them .
take-off, scramble, and landing as part of the engagement.
KidVicious wrote:You're right. I submit to your logic and experience.
I'm not sure what I was thinking in proposing all aspect IR engagements to replace what's currently in ROE2.
All aspect IR engagements are over quick, require no skill, and quite frankly would be boring as you suggested.
I'm sure most don't mind dealing with AIM-9Ps blowing up on their wings, or having disputes on whether or not a shot was legal; this is about 'fun' and is quite enjoyable.
Sorry for being unreasonable. I just thought that my experience being a world champion at BFM at least a half dozen times for the Falcon genre since 1996, over 20,000 sorties, the original creator of the IDL (along with Tank) in the spirit and culture of the former William Tell Pyramid which spawned these ROEs and many before that;
...that I could be instrumental at providing insight on improvements to the current ROEs in place based upon what we're doing. Which is simulating current generation F-16 vs F-16 air to air combat.
But what do I know, I'm not even competing this season; then again, neither are you .
Deadmeat wrote:Way too much time commitment there! Just keep it sleek and simple, don't let it get big and bloated.